(music) [LOU] Stockholm sees only six hours of daylight in the wintertime. Which means Sweden needs a lot of power to keep all those unicorns alive. Yet, Sweden is also intensely devoted to going green. [FLINK] I would say that Sweden has one of the best electricity systems in the world today. We have very low climate footprints, we have a lot of nuclear, a lot of hydropower, and we have wind coming into the system. Forty percent of the electricity generation in Sweden is nuclear. That is absolutely an important part of the Swedish electricity system. Is it possible to get off of fossil fuels without nuclear playing a role in it. [FLINK] Looking, for example, at the IPCC reports, they also include nuclear in their scenarios for the future electricity system if we’re going to a net-zero economy worldwide. So I think that nuclear will be an important part. [LOU] Back home, there’s an ongoing debate about the Green New Deal. Which calls for us to reach net-zero greenhouse gas emissions in ten years. That means decarbonizing electricity and the entire US economy in a decade. And they want to do it without nuclear power. I don’t know, it seems like a stretch for a big country like the U.S. with a population of 330 million, but maybe Sweden, population 10 million, maybe they could do it in ten years. [FLEMING] It would be very very difficult for Sweden to become carbon free in that short time span. The targets that have been set now for 2045, that is more realistic. Because then you have a number of years in order to change technology and develop, and to get the systems working. But of course, we also have those voices in Sweden, people wanting to much much further and faster. But still, you need to have a sort of realistic time span on how to actually make this… [LOU] I would imagine that a lot of the people wanting to go faster aren’t necessarily working in the lab developing the technology. [FLEMING] No. So I think, even though you could wish that it would move faster, it will, unfortunately, take some time, even for a country like Sweden to become climate-neutral.